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		<title>New blogg address.</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still using wordpress but now I&#8217;ve gone &#8220;in house&#8221;.</p>
<p>For the new blog please click this link.</p>
<p><a href="http://cheshire-heraldry.org.uk/weblog">http://cheshire-heraldry.org.uk/weblog</a></p>
<p>See you there,</p>
<p>Martin</p>
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		<title>1663 Visitations Brock of Upton takes my fancy!</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The 1663 Visitations are taking me rather longer than I anticipated but I am now moving well into the letter B. There are occassions when one particular coat of arms takes my fancy for any number of reasons. I have &#8230; <a href="http://heraldry.wordpress.com/2007/10/10/1663-visitations-brock-of-upton-takes-my-fancy/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=heraldry.wordpress.com&amp;blog=1087617&amp;post=46&amp;subd=heraldry&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 1663 Visitations are taking me rather longer than I anticipated but I am now moving well into the letter B.</p>
<p>There are occassions when one particular coat of arms takes my fancy for any number of reasons. I have today emblazoned the arms of <strong>Brock of Upton<br />
</strong>Arms: Gules, on a chief Argent, a lion passant guardant of the field.</p>
<p>Crest: A demi-lion rampant Gules, holding in its paws and arrow Or, feathered and headed Argent.   </p>
<p>Striking yet simple:</p>
<p><a href="http://heraldry.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/brock.jpg" title="Brock of Upton"><img src="http://heraldry.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/brock.jpg?w=500" alt="Brock of Upton" /></a></p>
<p>This is where I am at: <a href="http://cheshire-heraldry.org.uk/visitations1663/CV1663_3.html">http://cheshire-heraldry.org.uk/visitations1663/CV1663_3.html</a></p>
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		<title>Staff Wanted &#8211; Apply Within (Lyon Court)</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not quite a case of &#8220;apply within&#8221; but the retirement of the present Lord Lyon, Robin Orr Blair, which has for some time now been the subject of rumour and speculation (see my previous post here) has now been confirmed by way &#8230; <a href="http://heraldry.wordpress.com/2007/09/19/staff-wanted-apply-within-lyon-court/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=heraldry.wordpress.com&amp;blog=1087617&amp;post=44&amp;subd=heraldry&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not quite a case of &#8220;apply within&#8221; but the retirement of the present Lord Lyon, Robin Orr Blair, which has for some time now been the subject of rumour and speculation (see my previous post <a target="_blank" href="http://heraldry.wordpress.com/2007/06/22/a-new-lord-lyon/" title="A New Lord Lyon">here</a>) has now been confirmed by way of a press advertisement published in the Scottish press on Friday the 14th September.  </p>
<p>Prior to the twenty-first century the office had never before been publicly advertised and yet this century, still in its infancy, has already seen for the second time the possition of the Lord Lyon King of Arms advertised in the press. Robin Orr Blair was the first to take on the roll of Lyon in this new century though his roll had sadly been reduced to that of a part time King of Arms. Part time he may have been but he was quick off the mark to reward himself with the addition of supporters to his armorial achievement, something his immediate predecessors in title had not felt the need to do.   </p>
<p>Those who wish to apply for this ancient and prestigious post must get their applications in before the closing date of the 5th October and our sources tell us that Lyon Blair intends to clear his desk by the 12th of December. He leaves his successor with quite a workload and it is interesting to note (if indeed he is going on that date) that had he remained in post a little longer he would have had yet another case of appeal/judicial review against him to answer in the Court of Session the very next day ! One hopes that the appellant is not too inconvenienced by the change in office holder though it does beg the question what the view of the new Lyon might be on some, or all, of the contentious decisions taken by the present Lyon.</p>
<p>Lyon Blair has had quite a tough time of it really. He came into office in 2001 not as a full time Lyon but in a seemingly reduced roll and almost immediately walked into the brewing storm created by the Abolition of Feudal Tenure Act (2000) which came into effect in November 2004. Even if for the moment we set aside the legal challenges he has had to face (and is still facing) resulting from this Act, Lyon Court has had to deal with a large rush of applications from new made barons anxious to meet the deadline given by the Lord Lyon whereby they could be assured of receiving their baronial additaments before he bolted the door shut under the terms of the AFT act. This baronial rush created an almost unprecedented backlog of work and the writer knows of one non baronial petitioner who is still awaiting the receipt of his letters patent almost two years after his petition hit the desk of Lyon Blair. It is fortunate that those in the queue are patient.  </p>
<p>Lyon Blair may be clearing his personal desk on the 12th December but the desk of the Lord Lyon will remain burdened for quite some time. I am informed that prior to the appointment of Lyon Blair in 2001, the Courts of Session saw appeals from the Lyon Court (or Judicial Reviews from a ministerial Lyon) once in every couple of generations. The present incumbent has seen, on average, at least one case instituted in the higher courts against him every year of his office and I do not believe that he has enjoyed success in any of them. He leaves his successor with one case involving three appellants awaiting conclusion and another scheduled to kick off on the day after he is rumoured to be leaving office.</p>
<p>His successor will undoubtedly want to put his own mark of authority on the office and somewhere out there there will hopefully be an applicant with a clear idea of what the future of the post should be. It is a pity that he will be taking over half way through a number of legal appeals against his predecessor.</p>
<p>For those who have an interest in the vacancy I copy below the content of the advertisement:</p>
<p>OFFICE OF THE LORD LYON KING OF ARMS: INFORMATION TO APPLICANTS</p>
<p>Her Majesty the Queen appoints the Lord Lyon, on the recommendation of the First Minister, under the terms of Section 3 of the Lyon King of Arms Act 1867. The Court of the Lord Lyon is the heraldic authority for Scotland. It deals with all matters relating to Scottish Heraldry and Coats of Arms and maintains the Scottish Public Registers of Arms and Genealogies. The Lord Lyon is also responsible for State Ceremonial in Scotland.</p>
<p>The Lord Lyon’s judicial functions include ruling on whom has the right to bear an existing coat of arms and the authorisation of matriculation of differenced arms. The Lord Lyon’s administrative functions include the granting of armorial bearings to individuals and to corporations. Applications are not restricted to persons or organisations in Scotland and the Lord Lyon often considers applications from other countries. The Court and Office of the Lord Lyon is based in New Register House, Edinburgh. The Lyon is assisted by the Lyon Clerk, who holds a separate Royal Commission, and by two administrative staff.</p>
<p>Salary and Conditions of Service</p>
<p>The salary of the Lord Lyon is linked to pay bands for the Senior Civil Service and the office attracts a pension under the terms of the Principal Civil Service Pension Scheme. The post may be held on a part-time basis, with a minimum of 3 days per week. As an independent officeholder, attendance will be a matter for the Lord Lyon to determine, subject to the particular demands on the Office at different times of the year. Details of the salary and pension package will the subject of negotiation with the successful applicant.</p>
<p>Person Specification.</p>
<p>The successful candidate will require to be legally qualified. Candidates who reach the final interview stage will be expected to possess, and demonstrate, the following characteristics:</p>
<p>Sufficient relevant legal experience to act in a judicial capacity;<br />
Experience of ceremonial aspects;<br />
A knowledge of heraldry and genealogy;<br />
The ability to manage the business of the office of the Lyon Court;<br />
A sense of the history and position of the Office, combined with knowledge of Scottish Society and diplomacy to ensure that the Court of the Lord Lyon continues to operate efficiently in modern circumstances.</p>
<p>Selection Process</p>
<p>All candidates must complete the application form, which accompanies this information note. An independent selection panel will consider the written applications before inviting a short-list of candidates for interview in Edinburgh. The panel will then make a written report, with recommendations, to the First Minister.</p>
<p>Courts Directorate<br />
Scottish Government<br />
September 2007</p>
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		<title>Unidentified Faxes part two and a plea for the common crest.</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My friend the unidentified fax sender has struck again. It would seem that he does not read my web journal. This time I have been sent a fax of two pages from the web site of the Standing Council of &#8230; <a href="http://heraldry.wordpress.com/2007/09/10/unidentified-faxes-part-two-and-a-plea-for-the-common-crest/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=heraldry.wordpress.com&amp;blog=1087617&amp;post=39&amp;subd=heraldry&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend the unidentified fax sender has struck again. It would seem that he does not read my web journal.</p>
<p>This time I have been sent a fax of two pages from the web site of the <a target="_blank" href="http://www.baronetage.org/" title="The Standing Council of The Baronetage">Standing Council of The Baronetage</a> .</p>
<p> <a href="http://heraldry.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/baronetage.jpg" title="Faxed page"><img src="http://heraldry.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/baronetage.jpg?w=500" alt="Faxed page" /></a></p>
<p>Clearly my friend has internet access. Why he could not simply email me the link I do not know; the point of his expenditure (cost of the fax call) is somewhat lost on me anyway as there is never any accompanying letter setting out why my friend felt that it is so important that these pages are brought to my attention.</p>
<p>Oh well, while we are on the subject of baronets (perhaps my friend is a mind reader?) I will mention that whilst browsing through Debrett&#8217;s of 1980 vintage looking for Cheshire baronets (that is to say baronets with Cheshire connections) I came across the record for Haworth, Creation (U.K.) 1911, of Dunham Massey, co Chester.<br />
Arms: Azure, on a bend between two stags&#8217; heads couped Or, as many garbs Gules.<br />
Crest: Issuant out of grass proper a stag&#8217;s head Gules armed and collared with a chain Or.<br />
The illustration reminded me of the brief paper I wrote on recently for the newsletter of <a target="_blank" href="http://armorial-register.com/monthly/newsletter-2-2-2007.pdf" title="The Armorial Register Newsletter">The Armorial Register</a> entitled &#8220;A left handed baronet &#8211; or chicken and egg.&#8221; In the case of Haworth, the baronet&#8217;s crest features a stag&#8217;s head Gules and is illustrated on the Debrett&#8217;s page thus:</p>
<p><a href="http://heraldry.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/haworth-debretts-001.jpg" title="Haworth Crest"><img src="http://heraldry.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/haworth-debretts-001.jpg?w=500" alt="Haworth Crest" /></a></p>
<p>Why, I wonder, was it so illustrated?</p>
<p>I can guess. When a shield is emblazoned, the charge blazoned as a stag&#8217;s head would, by default face to the dexter (to the left as we look at the shield) and therefore this is how the charge on the crest has been illustrated. I would bet that had the blazon been a stag&#8217;s head affrontee the artist would have drawn it facing front but this is where I make my plea. Crests are three dimensional things; they are not flat charges painted onto a shield. </p>
<p>Let us imagine the resultant image had the Haworth baronet been of no greater degree than gentleman or esquire; I have absolutely no doubt that the artist would have drawn the crest in this way: </p>
<p><a href="http://heraldry.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/haworth-crest-esquire.jpg" title="Haworth Crest Esquire"><img src="http://heraldry.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/haworth-crest-esquire.jpg?w=500" alt="Haworth Crest Esquire" /></a></p>
<p>Note that when the stag&#8217;s head is drawn by default facing to the dexter and placed on the helm of an esquire, it actually faces to the front of the helm. So, bearing in mind that a crest is a three dimensional thing, when, upon elevation to the baronetage, we naturally turn the helm to the front, why on earth don&#8217;t we also just turn the crest to the front like this?</p>
<p><a href="http://heraldry.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/haworth-crest-baronet.jpg" title="Haworth Crest - Baronet"><img src="http://heraldry.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/haworth-crest-baronet.jpg?w=500" alt="Haworth Crest - Baronet" /></a></p>
<p>Surely when we imagine the &#8220;real life&#8221; of a crest as worn on a helm in tournament, most, if not all crests would have had a natural orientation to the front?</p>
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			<media:title type="html">Faxed page</media:title>
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		<title>Unidentified Fax Receipts</title>
		<link>http://heraldry.wordpress.com/2007/08/18/unidentified-fax-receipts/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[From time to time I receive unidentified Faxes pertaining to heraldry, sometimes even with a focus on heraldry in Cheshire. I have no idea who sends these faxes as they arrive from a withheld number. I have no doubt that &#8230; <a href="http://heraldry.wordpress.com/2007/08/18/unidentified-fax-receipts/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=heraldry.wordpress.com&amp;blog=1087617&amp;post=35&amp;subd=heraldry&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From time to time I receive unidentified Faxes pertaining to heraldry, sometimes even with a focus on heraldry in Cheshire. I have no idea who sends these faxes as they arrive from a withheld number. I have no doubt that whoever is sending them thinks that they are being helpful and I have no wish to discourage their good intentions &#8230;.. however the material faxed has so far never been unknown to me and, to be frank, the sending of information, especially pictures, by way of a fax, is a complete waste of time.</p>
<p>By way of example I show below a fax I received yesterday. Whoever has sent the fax has taken the trouble to print out a page from the College of Arms web site and then sent it me (by fax). As you can see, the image, by the time it reaches me, is abysmal:</p>
<p><a href="http://heraldry.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/unid-fax.jpg" title="Fax - Unidentified sender."><img src="http://heraldry.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/unid-fax.jpg?w=500" alt="Fax - Unidentified sender." /></a></p>
<p>I would like to appeal to whoever is sending these faxes &#8211; Whatever your good intentions, you are wasting your money on telephone (fax) charges!</p>
<p>Practically all of the information you have sent to me is known by me and because your faxes are not accompanied by any text I have no idea if you are attempting to either point me in the direction of information or ask me a question. If you are pointing me in the direction of information, it would be much easier if you simply sent me a link to the web page you have just taken the trouble to print off and the expense to fax to me. If you are wishing to ask a question &#8230; please do so. If you are attempting to send me a picture to use on the web site a fax will be useless.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mind continually receiving such faxes but when you send them, please be aware that it is costing you money and it is a wasted exercise unless you say why you are sending them!</p>
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			<media:title type="html">Fax - Unidentified sender.</media:title>
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		<title>Leigh of West Hall</title>
		<link>http://heraldry.wordpress.com/2007/07/06/leigh-of-west-hall/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having recently completed a number of Leigh images, I had been hoping to do an illustration of the &#8220;other&#8221; crest of Leigh of West Hall but find that I don&#8217;t have all the information! Burke&#8217;s General Armory lists two crests, &#8230; <a href="http://heraldry.wordpress.com/2007/07/06/leigh-of-west-hall/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=heraldry.wordpress.com&amp;blog=1087617&amp;post=32&amp;subd=heraldry&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having recently completed a number of Leigh images, I had been hoping to do an illustration of the &#8220;other&#8221; crest of Leigh of West Hall but find that I don&#8217;t have all the information!</p>
<p>Burke&#8217;s General Armory lists two crests, the first of which is illustrated in colour on the image below:</p>
<p><a href="http://heraldry.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/leigh1-web.jpg" title="Leigh of West Hall"><img src="http://heraldry.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/leigh1-web.jpg?w=500" alt="Leigh of West Hall" /></a></p>
<p>The second crest is blazoned thus:</p>
<p>A demi-lion rampant Or, holding a pennon displayed Azure charged with two bars Or inscribed Force Avec Vertu and with a shield of the arms of Leigh of West Hall High Leigh on which are three escutcheons of pretence, with the arms of the three husbands of Agnes de Leigh of West Hall viz: Lymme, Venables and Haywarden.</p>
<p>An illustration of a bookplate showing this crest can be seen below:</p>
<p><a href="http://heraldry.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/edward-egerton-leighs-bookplate.jpg" title="Leigh Bookplate"><img src="http://heraldry.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/edward-egerton-leighs-bookplate.jpg?w=500" alt="Leigh Bookplate" /></a></p>
<p>My difficulty is this; I know that thew arms of Lymme, husband of Agnes are Gules, a pile lozengy Argent &#8211; but I do not know the blazon of the remaining two arms, those of Venables (it appears to be a bend sinister) and Haywarden (Hawarden?) (it appears to be a cross).</p>
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			<media:title type="html">Leigh of West Hall</media:title>
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		<title>Two down &#8211; one to go!</title>
		<link>http://heraldry.wordpress.com/2007/06/28/two-down-one-to-go/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well. I have now finished the Visitations of 1613 and the last page can be accessed here: http://cheshire-heraldry.org.uk/visitations1613/CV1613_27.html The last image to go into the 1613 folder was the arms of Wyche, of Davenham Arms (in trick): Quarterly:  1 and &#8230; <a href="http://heraldry.wordpress.com/2007/06/28/two-down-one-to-go/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=heraldry.wordpress.com&amp;blog=1087617&amp;post=31&amp;subd=heraldry&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well. I have now finished the Visitations of 1613 and the last page can be accessed here:</p>
<p><a href="http://cheshire-heraldry.org.uk/visitations1613/CV1613_27.html">http://cheshire-heraldry.org.uk/visitations1613/CV1613_27.html</a></p>
<p>The last image to go into the 1613 folder was the arms of <strong><a target="_blank" href="http://cheshire-heraldry.org.uk/visitations1613/wych.jpg" title="Wyche of davenham">Wyche, of Davenham</a></p>
<p></strong>Arms (in trick):<br />
Quarterly: <br />
1 and 4, Azure, a pile Ermine [WYCHE]<br />
2 and 3, Argent, on a chevron Gules [Sable?] three trefoils slipped of the field [BRETT].</p>
<p>Crest: An arm embowed vested Argent, cuff Ermine, the hand proper holding a trefoil slipped Vert.</p>
<p>[This Coate was confirmed &amp; the creast graunted unto Tho: Wyche of Davenham p William Flower Norroy in the 29 yeare of Quene Elyza: Ao 1587.]</p>
<p> Now I just have to do the images and web pages for the 1663 Visitations .. ho hum.</p>
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		<title>Leigh Baronet</title>
		<link>http://heraldry.wordpress.com/2007/06/24/leigh-baronet-2/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since posting the arms of the Leigh Baronet I have redone the image: Pronominal coat: Quartered coat:<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=heraldry.wordpress.com&amp;blog=1087617&amp;post=26&amp;subd=heraldry&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since posting the arms of the <a target="_blank" href="http://heraldry.wordpress.com/2007/06/06/sir-samuel-egerton-leigh/" title="Arms of the Leigh Baronet">Leigh Baronet</a> I have redone the image:</p>
<p>Pronominal coat:</p>
<p><a href="http://heraldry.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/leigh-baronet-main-web.jpg" title="Sir Samuel Egerton Leigh Baronet."><img src="http://heraldry.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/leigh-baronet-main-web.jpg?w=500" alt="Sir Samuel Egerton Leigh Baronet." /></a></p>
<p>Quartered coat:</p>
<p><a href="http://heraldry.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/s-e-leigh.jpg" title="Sir Samuel Egerton Leigh"></a><a href="http://heraldry.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/s-e-leigh1.jpg" title="Arms said to be used by Sir Samuel Egerton Leigh"></a><a href="http://heraldry.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/leigh-baronet-web.jpg" title="Sir Samual Egerton Leigh Baronet"><img src="http://heraldry.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/leigh-baronet-web.jpg?w=500" alt="Sir Samual Egerton Leigh Baronet" /></a><a href="http://heraldry.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/s-e-leigh.jpg" title="Sir Samuel Egerton Leigh"></a></p>
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		<title>A New Lord Lyon</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 21:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Although there has been no official announcement, the retirement of Robin Orr Blair, LVO, Lord Lyon King of Arms has been leaked on the HSS forum.   It seems that Mr. Brian Hamilton has been informed that &#8220;A recent correspondent &#8230; <a href="http://heraldry.wordpress.com/2007/06/22/a-new-lord-lyon/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=heraldry.wordpress.com&amp;blog=1087617&amp;post=25&amp;subd=heraldry&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although there has been no official announcement, the retirement of Robin Orr Blair, LVO, Lord Lyon King of Arms has been leaked on the HSS forum.<br />
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It seems that Mr. Brian Hamilton has been informed that &#8220;A recent correspondent to the Lyon Office was told to delay his petition until after the New Year (2008) as the present Lord Lyon was retiring from office in December.&#8221; <br />
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Mr. Hamilton was &#8221;surprised that no one else has posted on this subject so far.&#8221;<br />
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The retirement of Mr. Blair from office has been the subject of a serious rumour for a number of days now though it would seem, from what I gather from another reliable source, this is rather more substantial than a mere rumour as it has now been confirmed by a senior member of Lyon Court. It seems that the intention is to advertise the post once more. Those familiar with Lyon Court will know that Mr. Blair was the first to be appointed to this post following public advertisement of the vacancy in 2001. [The first being the fact that the post had never before been advertised in the National Press]<br />
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Since we all love to speculate and it would seem that the speculation over a possible retirement is over, I shall indulge in a wee bit of my own speculation. I know that Carrick would perhaps be a more obvious immediate choice but my money is on W. David H. Sellar, Bute Pursuivant of Arms who was appointed Bute Pursuivant on 1st November 2001. <br />
 <a href="http://heraldry.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/bute.jpg" title="Bute Persuivant"><img src="http://heraldry.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/bute.jpg?w=500" alt="Bute Persuivant" /></a><br />
It could of course be YOU !<br />
 <br />
Any takers?<br />
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.law.ed.ac.uk/staff/wdavidhsellar_71.aspx">http://www.law.ed.ac.uk/staff/wdavi&#8230;hsellar_71.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>Site update Visitations 1533 to 1580 completed.</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 16:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have now finished the site update for the Cheshire Visitations 1533 to 1580. Now just need to start on the last bit, the Visitations of 1613!<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=heraldry.wordpress.com&amp;blog=1087617&amp;post=22&amp;subd=heraldry&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://heraldry.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/screenshot13.jpg"></a><a href="http://heraldry.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/screenshot13.jpg"></a>I have now finished the site update for the <a target="_blank" href="http://cheshire-heraldry.org.uk/visitations/" title="Cheshire Visitations 1533 to 1580">Cheshire Visitations </a>1533 to 1580.</p>
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<p>Now just need to start on the last bit, the Visitations of 1613!</p>
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